[tolsenbb]

BigHitter, on 08 December 2009 - 03:50 PM, said:

The data was compiled using Trackman and a player test panel of more than two dozen 5 handicap or better golfers, over the course of the last few months. The results are listed in order from highest to lowest in launch angle. This is NOT robot testing. It is based on real world player data, all hitting the same golf ball, under very similar conditions, on the same range, on the same Trackman unit.

Spin rate will come tomorrow.


Launch Angle
Aldila Cinnamon Voodoo = HIGHEST
Fujikura Motore 65
Aldila VooDoo HL7
Mitsubishi Bassara Griffin
Matrix OZIK Altus
Matrix OZIK X-Con5
Mitsubishi Shaqx
Fujikura ATL
Fujikura Rombax 6Z08 Tour
Mitsubishi Bassara Falcon 53
Aldila RIP 60
Mitsubishi Fubuki 73
Mitsubishi Bassara Hawk 53
Fujikura Motore 75
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 60
Matrix OZIK F7M2 Low Tip Deflection
Fujikura Rombax 7X07
Graphite Design MD-8
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 60
Graphite Design MD-7
Aldila RIP 70
Matrix OZIK F7M2
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 70
Matrix HD8
Matrix HD7
Matrix HD6
Fujikura Rombax 7Z08 Tour
Matrix Ozik TP7HD
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 70
Aldila RIP 80
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 80
Graphite Design MD-6
True Temper Project X-6A4
Mitsubishi Iverx
True Temper Project X-7A3
Graphite Desing P9003
True Temper Project X-8A2


Spin Rate
Matrix OZIK F7M2 Low Tip Deflection = LOWEST
Matrix HD8
Graphite Design P9003
Mitsubishi Shaqx
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 70
Aldila Cinnamon VooDoo
Aldila RIP 70
Matrix Ozik TP7HD
Fujikura Motore 75
Aldila RIP 60
Matrix HD6
Aldila VooDoo HL7
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 70
Mitsubishi Fubuki 73
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 60
Aldila RIP 80
Mitsubishi Iverx
Fujikura Rombax 7Z08 Tour
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 80
Mitsubishi Bassara Griffin
Matrix OZIK Altus
Matrix OZIK F7M2
True Temper Project X-8A2
Fujikura Rombax 7X07
True Temper Project X-7A3
Fujikura Rombax 6Z08 Tour
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 60
Matrix HD7
Fujikura Motore 65
Graphite Design MD-8
Matrix OZIK X-Con5
Mitsubishi Bassara Hawk 53
Fujikura ATL
True Temper Project X-6A4
Graphite Design MD-7
Mitsubishi Bassara Falcon 53
Graphite Design MD-6

How about the new Miyazaki shafts? The blacks are supposed to be among the lowest spinning shafts ever. Already have wins on tour too. Go for an arm and a leg on the bay...

[vigit]

proguy, on 09 March 2010 - 07:18 PM, said:

I have a bsg built 10.5 4250 with a tp6. Two years ago this club was perfect for me. 14 launch with 2400 spin. Swing changes have happened and now I need an adjustment. i went to titleist fitting center yesterday and had them fit me. they came up with a 909d3 8.5 with a axiv black 79 in stiff. My numbers with this setup was 2600 spin 14.1 launch 156 ball speed. this was an inprovment over my 4250 15 launch 4000 spin and 149 ball speed. The problem is that i love the 4250 feel and look . is there anyway I can salvage either the shaft or head? Any recomendations.

Email Todd & pay the $50. In the long run, it is cheaper than buying & trying shafts.

[proguy]

vigit, on 11 March 2010 - 02:48 AM, said:

Email Todd & pay the $50. In the long run, it is cheaper than buying & trying shafts.

did that two years ago worked out great. Just wondering if anybody new if I can reuse this shaft with a 8.5 head?

[HossOnMoss]

proguy, on 09 March 2010 - 04:18 PM, said:

I have a bsg built 10.5 4250 with a tp6. Two years ago this club was perfect for me. 14 launch with 2400 spin. Swing changes have happened and now I need an adjustment. i went to titleist fitting center yesterday and had them fit me. they came up with a 909d3 8.5 with a axiv black 79 in stiff. My numbers with this setup was 2600 spin 14.1 launch 156 ball speed. this was an inprovment over my 4250 15 launch 4000 spin and 149 ball speed. The problem is that i love the 4250 feel and look . is there anyway I can salvage either the shaft or head? Any recomendations.

You might want to check out that head and make sure that it isn't caved or something because there is no way that the 909 is going to spin 1,400 rpm less and have 7 mph more ball speed. There is something wrong there with the club or the guy doing the fitting screwed up the numbers somehow. The shaft should definitely be reusable, but I would recommend at least getting a second set of launch data with the 4250 and having us take a look at the numbers because that doesn't add up in the least bit.

[Texsport]

I'm surprised that the ATTAS and OBAN shafts weren't tested, as lots of Tour players have tried 'em. Furyk won today with an OBAN Devotion.

The Griffin is looking like it needs a personal test by me.

Texsport

This post has been edited by Texsport: 21 March 2010 - 07:54 PM

[bc1]

BigHitter, on 08 December 2009 - 02:50 PM, said:

The data was compiled using Trackman and a player test panel of more than two dozen 5 handicap or better golfers, over the course of the last few months. The results are listed in order from highest to lowest in launch angle. This is NOT robot testing. It is based on real world player data, all hitting the same golf ball, under very similar conditions, on the same range, on the same Trackman unit.

Spin rate will come tomorrow.


Launch Angle
Aldila Cinnamon Voodoo = HIGHEST
Fujikura Motore 65
Aldila VooDoo HL7
Mitsubishi Bassara Griffin
Matrix OZIK Altus
Matrix OZIK X-Con5
Mitsubishi Shaqx
Fujikura ATL
Fujikura Rombax 6Z08 Tour
Mitsubishi Bassara Falcon 53
Aldila RIP 60
Mitsubishi Fubuki 73
Mitsubishi Bassara Hawk 53
Fujikura Motore 75
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 60
Matrix OZIK F7M2 Low Tip Deflection
Fujikura Rombax 7X07
Graphite Design MD-8
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 60
Graphite Design MD-7
Aldila RIP 70
Matrix OZIK F7M2
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 70
Matrix HD8
Matrix HD7
Matrix HD6
Fujikura Rombax 7Z08 Tour
Matrix Ozik TP7HD
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 70
Aldila RIP 80
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 80
Graphite Design MD-6
True Temper Project X-6A4
Mitsubishi Iverx
True Temper Project X-7A3
Graphite Desing P9003
True Temper Project X-8A2


Spin Rate
Matrix OZIK F7M2 Low Tip Deflection = LOWEST
Matrix HD8
Graphite Design P9003
Mitsubishi Shaqx
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 70
Aldila Cinnamon VooDoo
Aldila RIP 70
Matrix Ozik TP7HD
Fujikura Motore 75
Aldila RIP 60
Matrix HD6
Aldila VooDoo HL7
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 70
Mitsubishi Fubuki 73
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 60
Aldila RIP 80
Mitsubishi Iverx
Fujikura Rombax 7Z08 Tour
Mitsubishi Diamana Kai'li 80
Mitsubishi Bassara Griffin
Matrix OZIK Altus
Matrix OZIK F7M2
True Temper Project X-8A2
Fujikura Rombax 7X07
True Temper Project X-7A3
Fujikura Rombax 6Z08 Tour
Mitsubishi Diamana Stinger 60
Matrix HD7
Fujikura Motore 65
Graphite Design MD-8
Matrix OZIK X-Con5
Mitsubishi Bassara Hawk 53
Fujikura ATL
True Temper Project X-6A4
Graphite Design MD-7
Mitsubishi Bassara Falcon 53
Graphite Design MD-6

where would the whiteboard 7o gram x flex fall in this lineup? I am familiar with that shaft, but not too many others on here. Thank you

[bc1]

nyhc23, on 09 December 2009 - 07:05 AM, said:

Very interesting that the shaqx is up there too... I think the (mis)conception is that it's a low launch shaft. I also thought the kai'li was going to be higher launch than most and it seems middle to lower in the pack - and I was really hoping to give that one a go... looks like I'll stay with my tusty Altus or Altus LT driver shafts.

Where would the whiteboard 73x and the Graphite Design DI 6 and 7 fit in this list?

[HossOnMoss]

bc1, on 22 April 2010 - 09:10 AM, said:

Where would the whiteboard 73x and the Graphite Design DI 6 and 7 fit in this list?

Since this was done with player testing, it would be pure speculation to say where either shaft would fit into this particular data. I know for instance how those shafts compare performance wise in general to many shafts on this list, but it would be inaccurate to throw them into a particular ranking without actually testing them within the same group as these were.

What I can say is that DI would be comparable in most instances to RIP or Fubuki in terms of launch and spin. WB would probably be somewhat closer to a shaft like HD7.

[bc1]

HossOnMoss, on 22 April 2010 - 01:40 PM, said:

Since this was done with player testing, it would be pure speculation to say where either shaft would fit into this particular data. I know for instance how those shafts compare performance wise in general to many shafts on this list, but it would be inaccurate to throw them into a particular ranking without actually testing them within the same group as these were.

What I can say is that DI would be comparable in most instances to RIP or Fubuki in terms of launch and spin. WB would probably be somewhat closer to a shaft like HD7.

Thank you

[Goble 6565]

I think that it would be awesome for you BSG to do a ball speed, spin rate, and carry distance test on some of the top long drive component heads.

[HossOnMoss]

Goble 6565, on 27 April 2010 - 06:47 PM, said:

I think that it would be awesome for you BSG to do a ball speed, spin rate, and carry distance test on some of the top long drive component heads.

Testing is very costly and time consuming to conduct. So, it would not make any sense to spend our resources testing product that does not apply to our customer base and membership as a whole. Those heads are made specifically for the purpose of long drive competition and doesn't fit into what BSG offers or what it's members in general are looking for. I would imagine that there is a long drive forum out there somewhere who would be more apt to have such information.

[taylorguy76]

todd or marcus ,

why is the tp6hd not on here, because it is exactly same as tp7hd but lighter???

[HossOnMoss]

taylorguy76, on 02 May 2010 - 04:38 AM, said:

todd or marcus ,

why is the tp6hd not on here, because it is exactly same as tp7hd but lighter???

TP6HD is slightly different from TP7HD, but nothing drastic. We simply were not able to test every shaft in every flex due to cost and time constraints.

[BubbaHicks]

Texsport, on 20 March 2010 - 04:49 PM, said:

I'm surprised that the ATTAS and OBAN shafts weren't tested, as lots of Tour players have tried 'em. Furyk won today with an OBAN Devotion.

The Griffin is looking like it needs a personal test by me.

Texsport

We had to wait a long time for more shaft testing and rankings, Im curious as well as to why 2 top shafts were not tested, hope we dont have to wait another 2 years for shaft testing and numbers on those top rated shafts. disappointed I guess, I have played the Kai'li 70 and I think it would be around the same launch as the fubuki 73. Im currently gaming the Oban Devotion 7 and it would be fit in the spot where the Kai'li 70 is right now on the launch and would definitely be 2 or 3 on the low spin, For me its 10 yards longer then the Kai'li 70. I will be gaming the Attas 6 next week I will let you know what its like.

[HossOnMoss]

BubbaHicks, on 11 May 2010 - 04:13 PM, said:

We had to wait a long time for more shaft testing and rankings, Im curious as well as to why 2 top shafts were not tested, hope we dont have to wait another 2 years for shaft testing and numbers on those top rated shafts. disappointed I guess, I have played the Kai'li 70 and I think it would be around the same launch as the fubuki 73. Im currently gaming the Oban Devotion 7 and it would be fit in the spot where the Kai'li 70 is right now on the launch and would definitely be 2 or 3 on the low spin, For me its 10 yards longer then the Kai'li 70. I will be gaming the Attas 6 next week I will let you know what its like.

Well, we could always just keep the testing information completely to ourselves to use soley for the purpose of fitting our customers. That said, it is nice to share what we can and it should make for some informative and interesting discussion. Unfortunately, it just is not feasible to test EVERY shaft that is out there. Regardless of the fact that some might like or play certain shafts, the fact of the matter is that Oban and Attas are still hardly a blip on the radar when it comes to what is played on tour. I know that there are several notable players on tour using them, but you have to narrow it down at some point and what you see tested are shafts that are tour proven and FAR more popular for the most part. I would be more than happy to test those products if they were provided to us by the manufacturers, but we have PLENTY to keep up with in the meantime.

[BubbaHicks]

HossOnMoss, on 11 May 2010 - 06:29 PM, said:

Well, we could always just keep the testing information completely to ourselves to use soley for the purpose of fitting our customers. That said, it is nice to share what we can and it should make for some informative and interesting discussion. Unfortunately, it just is not feasible to test EVERY shaft that is out there. Regardless of the fact that some might like or play certain shafts, the fact of the matter is that Oban and Attas are still hardly a blip on the radar when it comes to what is played on tour. I know that there are several notable players on tour using them, but you have to narrow it down at some point and what you see tested are shafts that are tour proven and FAR more popular for the most part. I would be more than happy to test those products if they were provided to us by the manufacturers, but we have PLENTY to keep up with in the meantime.

Well put and understood, Im glad you guys do this and share with us thats why were all here. tks

[odwa]

Just want to THANK the BSG boys for their shaft testing data. Without this valuable "FREE" info we would not be able to shortcut the route to the perfect driver. Never heard of the Voodoo Cinnamon before this data sheet and now is my gamer. Have the SCN7 in a FT Tour Authentic 9.5 head and can't expect any better results. Not only is their data correct with the high launch that plateau's but the decent angle is extremely shallow due to the low spin so ground distance will be at it's maximum. Thanks again!

[HossOnMoss]

odwa, on 03 June 2010 - 05:09 AM, said:

Just want to THANK the BSG boys for their shaft testing data. Without this valuable "FREE" info we would not be able to shortcut the route to the perfect driver. Never heard of the Voodoo Cinnamon before this data sheet and now is my gamer. Have the SCN7 in a FT Tour Authentic 9.5 head and can't expect any better results. Not only is their data correct with the high launch that plateau's but the decent angle is extremely shallow due to the low spin so ground distance will be at it's maximum. Thanks again!

The CN7 VooDoo is a pretty special shaft in the way that it launches the ball high with such little spin. No other shaft out there really combines those launch aspects the way that the Cinnamon does. I am sure that it just hits flat bombs in a head like your FT Tour.

[Goble 6565]

how on earth can the Aldila RIP60 have less spin then the RIP80? Makes no sense.

[HossOnMoss]

Goble 6565, on 03 June 2010 - 11:03 AM, said:

how on earth can the Aldila RIP60 have less spin then the RIP80? Makes no sense.

You wouldn't expect that and it certainly will not be the case for everyone, but those are the kinds of things that you find at times with player testing. What you would think on paper or based on robot testing is not always how things pan out real world with humun swings. That's why there is a LOT more to shaft fitting than just looking at a list such as this and picking a shaft that launches higher or spins less. You have to take a shaft's tendencies and fit them to a specific swing and that is where the art of shaft fitting comes into play. Testing data like this is very informative and interesting, but it's just a piece of the puzzle really.

[DTown3011]

Did you guys not test TP6HD?

[HossOnMoss]

DTown3011, on 03 June 2010 - 07:39 PM, said:

Did you guys not test TP6HD?

We have tested TP6HD, but it was not included in this particular round of testing which is why you do not see it listed in this compilation.

[Goble 6565]

HossOnMoss, on 03 June 2010 - 07:14 PM, said:

You wouldn't expect that and it certainly will not be the case for everyone, but those are the kinds of things that you find at times with player testing. What you would think on paper or based on robot testing is not always how things pan out real world with humun swings. That's why there is a LOT more to shaft fitting than just looking at a list such as this and picking a shaft that launches higher or spins less. You have to take a shaft's tendencies and fit them to a specific swing and that is where the art of shaft fitting comes into play. Testing data like this is very informative and interesting, but it's just a piece of the puzzle really.

That is very interesting. This definately offers a different angle on shaft fitting.

[HossOnMoss]

Goble 6565, on 04 June 2010 - 09:54 AM, said:

That is very interesting. This definately offers a different angle on shaft fitting.

I would say that it is an angle that as a fitter you MUST approach from.....otherwise you are costing your customers performance. There are so many shaft options these days and trying to compare the offerings from one company to another is nearly impossible if you just look at the spec sheets and take them at face value. Not to mention, you have to keep in mind how different swings will react differently to each shaft.

[Goble 6565]

That makes perfect sense cause everyone raves about the voodoo shafts but in my swing those shafts have the largest shot dispursment of any shaft i have ever swung.