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#1 bobcat

 
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 05:39 PM

Spy pics!

 

This will replace the current M2!

 

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:41 AM

Spy pics!

 

This will replace the current M2!

 

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Very BMW ish.

 

I wonder if a new BMW M4 will come with it as an option...  HAHA!

 

Very interesting...

 

Thanks for the pics!

 

 

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:29 PM

Will this replace the M1 or M2? I’m assuming M2.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:33 PM

When will BSG get your heads in of the M4?
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:31 AM

Will this replace the M1 or M2? I’m assuming M2.

 

This is the M2 replacement.

 

 

When will BSG get your heads in of the M4?

I don't know for sure as of yet, but my guess would be around the end of January.



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 04:28 PM

I hope TaylorMade will drop the "Hammerhead" branding.


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Posted 01 January 2018 - 11:06 AM

I hope TaylorMade will drop the "Hammerhead" branding.

Why? I think that it's fitting and descriptive of the function as well as the look of the technology.



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Posted 04 January 2018 - 11:24 AM

What difference does it make if it performs well?   Jailbreak is better???   EPIC?  Michael Jordan Golf Shoes? You have to have a "marketing" hook. How bout the SWOOSH.  Just Do It...  

 

The idea is to sell clubs,  stay in business and make a profit by innovating or doing something better than your competitors.  

 

Hammerhead with Twist Face... Interesting...    I like it!

 

 

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 08:28 PM

What's got me is this twist face tech. Can't wait to see one of these heads in person to see what its all about.


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 01:03 AM

What's got me is this twist face tech. Can't wait to see one of these heads in person to see what its all about.

If its more accurate on toe hits, great!  

 

What about an open face toe hits???  

 

 

Looks like TM has a real winner!

 

 

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 10:14 AM

If its more accurate on toe hits, great!  

 

What about an open face toe hits???  

 

 

Looks like TM has a real winner!

 

 

Bing

My first thought too Bing. May be great for good players, but high handicappers may run out of balls in the right trees.

 

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 10:48 AM

If its more accurate on toe hits, great!  

 

What about an open face toe hits???  

 

 

Looks like TM has a real winner!

 

 

Bing

In theory, that would be an issue. In reality, that doesn't occur as most would think. The more that you deliver the face with an open face angle, the less toe ward the strike is and vice versa. A great deal of off center hits are caused by face angle and not a shift in the club's plane or path. So, a closed face heel strike or an open face toe strike aren't really something that you have to worry about for all practical purposes.

 

The easiest way to think of it is a shank. It's pretty damn hard to hit the hosel with a closed club face. The cause of 99.9% of hosel rockets is an open club face.



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Posted 05 January 2018 - 11:54 AM

My first thought too Bing. May be great for good players, but high handicappers may run out of balls in the right trees.

 

Texsport

 

Right!  Just watching Jordan Speith last evening hooking a ball 90 yards to the left.  Immediately thought about the Twisted Face.  

 

Just wondering if it would have mitigated the large hook and  Maybe been in play.

 

For me, my misses are rarely to the right.  Last month, I ruined a round by hitting the toe draw/hook two times.  One in the Monterey Pine trees and one out of bounds.  

 

I think for the better player, this maybe the "holy grail" of drivers.  

 

This should be interesting!

 

Have a Healthy and Prosperous New Year Tex!

 

 

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 08:35 AM

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Best wishes for a healthy and happy New Year to you and yours!

 

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 11:16 AM

In theory, that would be an issue. In reality, that doesn't occur as most would think. The more that you deliver the face with an open face angle, the less toe ward the strike is and vice versa. A great deal of off center hits are caused by face angle and not a shift in the club's plane or path. So, a closed face heel strike or an open face toe strike aren't really something that you have to worry about for all practical purposes.

 

The easiest way to think of it is a shank. It's pretty damn hard to hit the hosel with a closed club face. The cause of 99.9% of hosel rockets is an open club face.

That makes sense!

 

Looking forward to trying the M3 out.   And with a Ti Fiber shaft -- even better!

 

 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:15 AM

I'm talking about those toe-hit blocks when you get ahead of it with your body and can't square up the face.

 

But, then again, these may be the very shots helped by the wavy face - ?

 

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 02:48 PM

I'm talking about those toe-hit blocks when you get ahead of it with your body and can't square up the face.

 

But, then again, these may be the very shots helped by the wavy face - ?

 

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I'm not saying that it's impossible to impact the toe with an open face, but it's an extreme shot and completely non-functional impact which no technology or club is going to help. Any player who produces a shot that extreme is going to have a disastrous outcome regardless. Your typical off center strikes from heel to toe are caused by the face orientation at impact due to the toe lead on a closed face or the heel lead on an open face. Imagine how the club would impact the ball with an open or closed face assuming a path that is 0° (straight down the target line).

 

You have to consider the path of the club head as well that will typically accompany such a shot because the face angle in itself only dictates the starting direction the face to path relationship along with gear effect is causing the curvature. In the worst scenario for a strike off the toe with an open face, you are likely going to have a more outward path which depending on the face angle is likely going to cause a big knuckling hook. Twist Face would certainly help that shot. For an under the plane, stuck, in-to-out path that delivers a face so open that it's right of the path as well causing a shot that is a big block or push cut, that's simply such an extreme and unplayable impact that no club is going help. 

 

Bottom line is, you are still going to be able to hit a poor or even terrible shot with this new technology. At a certain point though, you have to be able to swing the club somewhat competently in order to take advantage of the tech.  :7: 



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:19 AM

Agreed - but the stuck/block is the most common miss for a lpt of good players.

 

Just wondering if the technology will create an automatic O B drive when that swing is made.

 

I guess only individual testing will tell.

 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:58 PM

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I happened upon a UK site in which the M3 was tested by an amateur player on Youtube.   Consistent swing and all balls were fairly accurate to center for a 95 mph ish player. 

 

There was one toe miss to the right which went around 290, assuming yards.  He said he had hit it off the toe.  Well beyond anything he has ever hit before.  

 

So, maybe the high toe. square or slightly open is a high knuckle to the right and long which is better than the hard top spin forehand to the corner.  

 

Looking forward to trying both the M3 and M4.  

 

 

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 06:34 PM

I tried the M3, M4, and new Wilson Staff C300 drivers yesterday.

 

Clear winner was the Wilson - feel at impact, direction and distance - at least with the shafts and regular sized grips available.

 

None were close to knocking my Rogue out of the bag. I'm sure my own shaft and grip had something to do with the results-

 

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Edited by Texsport, 17 February 2018 - 06:54 PM.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 12:35 PM

I tried the M3, M4, and new Wilson Staff C300 drivers yesterday.

 

Clear winner was the Wilson - feel at impact, direction and distance - at least with the shafts and regular sized grips available.

 

None were close to knocking my Rogue out of the bag. I'm sure my own shaft and grip had something to do with the results-

 

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Hi Tex,

 

Anything Wilson is doing must be seriously considered from balls to clubs!

 

I just saw the new TM offerings and they look really impressive, however the M4 looks a little more inviting.  Maybe the taller face.  It's on the list.

 

Right now, I am doing my own driver comparison and just haven't been able to find anything as straight or as long as my gamer, the MIzuno JPX Tour.  

 

I have been demoing a Ping G400 but ... something is not quite right.  Misses are right and hard to turn over but the shaft just does not work for my swing.     Other than that its perfect... :rolleyes:

 

Trying a different shaft for irons, TT Project X LZ vs. Aerotech Steel Fiber, both excellent!

 

 

Anyway, looking forward to testing the  Wilson driver.

 

 

Should be Fun!

 

 

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Anyway, it should be a great year for golf!  


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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:05 AM

I like the Wilson Staff irons with Aerotech shafts also.

 

Very long and controllable.

 

I've also been hitting a club previously owned by Champions Tour player Gene Sauers. It's a couple of year old Tour Edge F2 PRO Limited Edition 3 wood, with a Speeder 757 EVO 7.1 shaft.  The search for a better 3 wood never ends, and this one is long and easy to hit.

 

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:31 PM

I like the Wilson Staff irons with Aerotech shafts also.

 

Very long and controllable.

 

I've also been hitting a club previously owned by Champions Tour player Gene Sauers. It's a couple of year old Tour Edge F2 PRO Limited Edition 3 wood, with a Speeder 757 EVO 7.1 shaft.  The search for a better 3 wood never ends, and this one is long and easy to hit.

 

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Hi Tex!

 

I play a Tour Edge Pro 17 degree and its a very good club.  Small head which is about perfect.  Incredible out of the rough.  The rails or foils work very well although you have to clean them occasionally. Thinking about looking into Aerotech fairway shafts and making a "sales call" near their plant in Washington.

 

A new found gem;  Mizuno Fli Hi.  Saved a round a few weeks ago since no one could get a ball off the tee in 30 mph winds.  Used the 5 iron and moved to the 4.  Which I had the 2 iron.  

Something is wrong when an old fart can hit a 5 iron around 215+!  Impressive!!!

 

As far as putters this year, I am a bit disappointed in the new Vaults.  Had to really punch it there to get them close to the hole during testing.  Possibly a loft issue, with  too much head weight.  Maybe too soft.  

 

Seems like you know a lot of Senior players...  Gene Sauers -- nice guy!!!  

 

Right now golf is off the table, Tax Time, and the weather isn't helping at all.  Actually a nice break, except the tax part.  Putting is dialed in and the short game is getting closer.  Noticed a slight vision change which really affected anything under 100 yards...

 

So, are you going to stay with the Cali Epic this year?   I have seen the Rogue and it looks really good!  I guess with Callaways new products in the past year and a half, sales and stock prices are really moving up!  A buy on CNBC! :D   Must be doing something right...

 

Later, going for a conditioning walk between showers...

 

 

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 08:41 AM

Sorry for the delayed reply Bing

 

Fli Hi still used by Tour players. Matt Jones uses one. A couple of years back he was testing a Titleist hybrid against his Fli Hi. Hybrid lost and I got it from his caddie - still in my bag.

 

Not completely in love with the Epic but haven't got a replacement. Took out an old Cobra Tour Proto driver with an X Con 5 X shaft in it. Hit 2 bombs with it on 1st 2 swings. On the third swing, I hit a low hook, which seemed odd. On the way to the next tee, I happened to tap the Cobra head and got a ringing sound. Upon inspection noted that the weld between the crown and body was cracked all the way around. I'm pulling the shaft and will install an Epic tip for testing. That shaft isn't made any more but was a high launch/high ball speed phenomenon a few years ago. I remember hitting some impressive drives with it, and the first 2 I hit the other day were my best of the year. (BTW - smoked my age the other day with a 68 from the tips on a par 71, 7000 yd public course in the area - was one of those days like the Bishop in "Caddie Shack"  - 3 under on the front/even on the back.)

 

Love the CURE CX2 putter!

 

Getting ready for a month in Minnesota fishing, golfing, and attending grand sons' baseball games -

 

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 10:24 AM

Sorry for the delayed reply Bing

 

Fli Hi still used by Tour players. Matt Jones uses one. A couple of years back he was testing a Titleist hybrid against his Fli Hi. Hybrid lost and I got it from his caddie - still in my bag.

 

Not completely in love with the Epic but haven't got a replacement. Took out an old Cobra Tour Proto driver with an X Con 5 X shaft in it. Hit 2 bombs with it on 1st 2 swings. On the third swing, I hit a low hook, which seemed odd. On the way to the next tee, I happened to tap the Cobra head and got a ringing sound. Upon inspection noted that the weld between the crown and body was cracked all the way around. I'm pulling the shaft and will install an Epic tip for testing. That shaft isn't made any more but was a high launch/high ball speed phenomenon a few years ago. I remember hitting some impressive drives with it, and the first 2 I hit the other day were my best of the year. (BTW - smoked my age the other day with a 68 from the tips on a par 71, 7000 yd public course in the area - was one of those days like the Bishop in "Caddie Shack"  - 3 under on the front/even on the back.)

 

Love the CURE CX2 putter!

 

Getting ready for a month in Minnesota fishing, golfing, and attending grand sons' baseball games -

 

Texsport

Hi Tex!

 

I believe I had a XCon in a Adams head which I played and loved. Great Shaft!  Bombs away and straight.  Hit into a Pro a few times at Carmel Valley and he looked back and wondered who the heck was doing that... Oh, that old guy...  I am not sure if I still have it in the shop.  However, I found a new GD Design from Japan unused.  I may try that in the G400 next.

 

Our ladies club champion at another club also, just hits the crap out of it and in a 3 wood.  Her husband made her change to this shaft... Good move.

 

I have been playing the G400 and have tried all the shafts, K, GD DI and the standard Ping Tour 65 which  is the best one for me.  A bit shorter at 45 ish.  My friends hate it!

 

Since turning 68 in March, I am getting closer to shooting my age!  Almost got there last year but had the infamous quad on our No. 17.  at the Reserve!  Weird...  

 

I am beginning to see the Cure Putters out on various tours.  Impressive and Big!  I have 2 Forged Yes Tours with slant necks which are wonderful.  Played last week with one on moderate speed greens and it was really good.  Looking forward to trying the Cure Pro's out.  

 

In Seattle this week and saw a few Bettinardi Tours Limited -- very nice!  Larger square head with a copper face but way too much bend in the neck for me.  

 

 

So, next up the G400 MAX and Rogue Standard!  

 

Nice work on that 68 Bishop!  :D

 

 

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