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@  MWP : (08 August 2014 - 09:42 PM) @TW Since Fowler put work into his swing with Butch and cut his hair my opinion on him has completely changed, I'd like to see him squeak this one out.
@  TWshoot67 : (08 August 2014 - 08:08 PM) Although Steve Striker winning would be pretty cool too...
@  TWshoot67 : (08 August 2014 - 08:07 PM) Is anyone else pulling for Rickie Fowler this weekend?
@  KyCutter : (08 August 2014 - 05:13 PM) He should be smarter than that TW. That's my point. If he's hurt. Quit
@  TWshoot67 : (08 August 2014 - 04:11 PM) he's probably going to gut it out hurt himself some more just so he don't have to listen to media and naysayers who say he's faking his injuries
@  TWshoot67 : (08 August 2014 - 04:10 PM) he's already posted an 81 @ The Open few years back.
@  KyCutter : (08 August 2014 - 02:38 PM) Pushed putt. Pulled back. Time to WD. No way will he post 80
@  rfdegen : (08 August 2014 - 10:17 AM) Not contrary, from someone with a bad back, just amazed he's playing this week. Un-freakin-believable.
@  TWshoot67 : (07 August 2014 - 01:08 PM) It's all what have you done lately in todays world. Sorry I just don't give up on Tiger so easy. I'm a fanboy! lol
@  TWshoot67 : (07 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I love how people are so contrary, less then 10 months ago Tiger had 5 wins and was #1 WGR. Now it's like he should just toss it in an quit his career is over, LOL
@  Qwagmire : (07 August 2014 - 10:47 AM) any guesses when the spasms happen? I got front nine Friday
@  KyCutter : (07 August 2014 - 08:27 AM) I suspect the "spasms" are creeping back into the picture.
@  HossOnMoss : (06 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) He did say it was spasms...real or not. Anyone that didn't think he would tee it up this week is nuts. There's no way he was missing the PGA once he made his statement sunday.
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@  ROBOPTI : (06 August 2014 - 02:43 PM) Really ??? ... Just a tired show
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@  TWshoot67 : (01 August 2014 - 12:27 PM) Well don't know about Hummingbirds speaking English, but all I was trying to infer was that everytime the media and others toss Tiger aside he does something no one else does in golf. It's amazing how everyone already forgot the guy won 5 times last year. He's been injured all year. I could care less if he plays the Ryder Cup
@  BingHogan : (01 August 2014 - 12:05 PM) Read where some MIT grad had the idea of a 3ft cup. Yeah, that should really work. :lol2:
@  BingHogan : (01 August 2014 - 12:01 PM) So, when Tiger wins the 15th, that should bring golf back from the doldrums!
@  ROBOPTI : (01 August 2014 - 10:05 AM) ... and if humingbirds start speaking English .... yada yada yada ... That is EXACTLY what I saying. It's time to treat Tiger like everyone else .. He has earned that. That "aura" .. that "mystique" INSIDE the ropes - not outside - IS OVER. I think that's why this topic gets so heated. WE - the peeps are still drinking the Koolaide - and that's cool ... TRUST ME!!!! .. Inside the ropes ... They quit drinking that a longtime ago. Do we want to win - or have another episode of "X Factor" - cuz he doesn't concern Europe - AT ALL
@  TWshoot67 : (01 August 2014 - 09:44 AM) So for arguements sake Tiger finds his game wins 2 of last 3 events you still say he don't deserve to play on RC, don't count Tiger out yet!
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@  TJR : (25 July 2014 - 10:00 PM) Love my 64s! They're the closest I've found to being a perfect all-around iron (appearance, feel, forgiveness).
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@  BingHogan : (25 July 2014 - 05:32 PM) KBS V Tour is really good too, maybe a touch light but dispersion and feel is great.
@  BingHogan : (25 July 2014 - 05:31 PM) The MP 4 is a fine iron but there ain't nothin wrong with the 64 either!
@  TJR : (25 July 2014 - 03:42 PM) I've only hit a MP-4 6 iron in a simulator, but it felt great as to be expected! The only new release I've seen pictures of is the MP-15, which doesn't really interest me.
@  BingHogan : (25 July 2014 - 10:48 AM) Mizuno, where are those new MP 65's or ???. Hitting an MP 4 w/ KBS V Tour.
@  BingHogan : (25 July 2014 - 10:46 AM) Rusty!? 99% of them would be happy to be that rusty!
@  TJR : (24 July 2014 - 03:52 PM) It would be hard to argue that he isn't the greatest player of all time. It's only a matter of time before he breaks Snead's win record.
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 08:42 PM) That would still only be about 1/2 the wins of what Tiger will have when he hangs up the spikes.... But yet the haters will hate and that's life. Tiger still has 10 more years to win on PGA Tour .
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 08:39 PM) Well Dave we must be in the minority or too old to realize who's still one of the best golfers in the history of the game. When/ IF Rory and Speith have 50 wins in their careers then maybe I'll hold them in esteem with TIGER!
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 08:34 PM) Sorry MrParr1Noid, it was my auto spell check, I didn't even notice until you said that, No slip showing here.
@  petter7 : (23 July 2014 - 08:28 PM) Hmmm. Let's see…Tiger wins 5 times, leading money winner, player-of-the-year, #1 in the world, LAST YEAR!! And that was with a bad back!! Back is fixed with no more pain and he's still fit as any other tour player and he's washed up? LMAO
@  J13 : (23 July 2014 - 08:16 PM) Time will tell with Tiger but I hope Rory just doesn't disappear again for 2 years.
@  MrParr1Noid : (23 July 2014 - 08:15 PM) Then I suggest you re-read your response to me about 4 posts down. Your slip is showing .. :) .. Don't have time for your silly games either .. I"m out ..
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 07:56 PM) I don't know where you got shit 67 from shoot67 but it shows your mentality
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 07:53 PM) Tiger is far from done , he's got plenty of years to win b4 Champions Tour
@  MrParr1Noid : (23 July 2014 - 07:52 PM) I just have to laugh at that one TWshiit67, not about trashing Tiger but about Tiger's growning jowls like an old man.. :)
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 07:52 PM) Every time tiger doesn't win his career is over say so called experts then he rattles off 5 wins in one year, neither Rory or Speith have done that in any one season. And tiger diid it last year. Once Tiger plays a few more rounds he will win again.
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 07:49 PM) I just have to laugh at that one Mr Parr1Noid, not about protecting Tiger just laughing at GC proclaiming or anointing the next greatest every other week. Edit: Fixed Spelling,
@  MrParr1Noid : (23 July 2014 - 07:18 PM) Guys are so overly protective of Tiger. Tiger won't ever be the same (young) as he once was.. :) Guys like Rory and Speith are (younger) just coming into their game.. :) Tiger should be getting ready for the seniors tour cause he ain't never going to compete with these young guys again.
@  J13 : (23 July 2014 - 06:08 PM) haha agree TW. Speith is the new Rory?
@  TWshoot67 : (23 July 2014 - 04:24 PM) J- all it would take is for Speith to win his next outing or dare I say win the PGA and then he'd be the next great one! I mean he is 5 years younger then Rory!!
@  J13 : (23 July 2014 - 06:23 AM) I can't keep up with all of the "new" Tiger's in the game. I guess Speith is not in vogue anymore
@  ROBOPTI : (22 July 2014 - 11:20 AM) CALLAWAY V SERIES DRIVER PHOTO ON USGA LIST ;)
@  TWshoot67 : (21 July 2014 - 09:29 PM) Funny two weeks ago Adam Scott was the next coming of Tiger, now it's Rory again. neither can sniff what TIGER has done!
@  TWshoot67 : (21 July 2014 - 09:28 PM) J13 glad you said something, I have to laugh every time I watch or read anything from GC.
@  MrParr1Noid : (21 July 2014 - 08:14 PM) HossOnMoss, thanks for the welcome .. And? J13, when will Tiger be back .. LMAO .. :9:

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Shaft "Puring" - Is it worth it or is it a gimmick?


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#1 Deemac

 
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 05:10 PM

C'mon you club builders out there - tell me straight...

Are pured shafts worth the extra money, do they yield better results? Or are they a gimmick?

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:06 AM

i've had a few clubs pured and to be honest i didn't see or feel any differences, i think i would rather spend the money else where
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 08:48 AM

C'mon you club builders out there - tell me straight...

Are pured shafts worth the extra money, do they yield better results? Or are they a gimmick?

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For a high handicap player results could be minmal, and maybe not noticeable. Tour players will hit a few more fairways and greens which is a big advantage for them. More importantly it can help the consistency of shaft performance with proper orientation to flex properly. Some research suggests that the flex of the same steel shaft can differ up to 44CPM just by changing the orientation of installation in the head. That would make a huge difference in flex rating and could have your set all over the map. If you can find someone that does custom club work, and offers the service, I would suggest trying clubs that have been pure'd and compare numbers from a launch monitor with what you've been using.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 09:08 AM

Since first spine aligning a set of steel shaft irons and personally testing the results, I will not put a steel shaft in a club without spine alignment. I did this test on a regular gamer set of mine a while back, mid season, and without question saw clear improvements in accuracy and consistency in shot shape in almost every iron. The irons showing no improvement just so happened to have the shafts correctly orientated from the factory. From the work I've done since, it seems common to have two or three clubs in alignment from the factory. These are often the clubs that the person playing the set will say they are most confident in hitting.

I've done a few graphite shafts for woods as well and found that spine aligning does not offer as much benefit, for most shafts. I am guessing that the construction process for graphite creates a more consistent wall than the welded spine process in steel. However, a few graphites have greatly benefited from this process, specifically the UST V2 series shafts.

I have never paid for the patented, "Puring" service, but it is likely more accurate than the simple spine alignment process I use in my shop. It is definately not a gimmick, but the commercial process does seem a little pricey to me for the amount of work that goes into it.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 12:51 PM

C'mon you club builders out there - tell me straight...

Are pured shafts worth the extra money, do they yield better results? Or are they a gimmick?

D.

ive had it done many times to woods, irons, and wedges. and i never noticed a difference out on the course. as far as a difference on the launch monitor the guys who do my fitting put me on there to compare wit non pured and honestly i thought the difference was negligable with the driver and no difference with the irons. ijust dont think it makes enough of a difference (if at all) to go spending money on.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 12:58 PM

Since first spine aligning a set of steel shaft irons and personally testing the results, I will not put a steel shaft in a club without spine alignment. I did this test on a regular gamer set of mine a while back, mid season, and without question saw clear improvements in accuracy and consistency in shot shape in almost every iron. The irons showing no improvement just so happened to have the shafts correctly orientated from the factory. From the work I've done since, it seems common to have two or three clubs in alignment from the factory. These are often the clubs that the person playing the set will say they are most confident in hitting.

I've done a few graphite shafts for woods as well and found that spine aligning does not offer as much benefit, for most shafts. I am guessing that the construction process for graphite creates a more consistent wall than the welded spine process in steel. However, a few graphites have greatly benefited from this process, specifically the UST V2 series shafts.

I have never paid for the patented, "Puring" service, but it is likely more accurate than the simple spine alignment process I use in my shop. It is definately not a gimmick, but the commercial process does seem a little pricey to me for the amount of work that goes into it.

great post, it just made me realize something i need to clarify about my last post, i always have my clubs spine allaigned, what i meant to say was that there was negligable difference between the COMMERCIAL PURING PROCESS and standard spine allaignment. i do not recommend just tossing shafts in your clubs, you will get better performance out of spine allaigned shafts.
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54.08, 60.04 titleist bob vokey spin milled c-c with dynamic gold x100's
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 04:53 PM

Thanks Guys!

Very insightful.
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Posted 11 February 2010 - 07:51 AM

As a clubmaker having pured many shafts I can tell you it would blow you away to see how inconsistent shafts are in both steel and graphite.. However, my take on it is if you have a set of irons that you've played for a while, and you like the way they feel, and know the type of shots you hit with them, leave them alone and continue enjoying them basically, IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. For guys getting a new set and wanting to know their shafts will perform the way they were designed to having a consistent flex and feel through out, get them done. Also I would recommend it for guys who play firmer shafts, guys who are swinging softer shafts like for instance an (A) flex or a weak ® it really won't benefit. Psychologically for all us golfers it's nice knowing our equipment is dialed in which helps with our confidence on the course and might lead to better swings.
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 02:05 PM

As a clubmaker having pured many shafts I can tell you it would blow you away to see how inconsistent shafts are in both steel and graphite.. However, my take on it is if you have a set of irons that you've played for a while, and you like the way they feel, and know the type of shots you hit with them, leave them alone and continue enjoying them basically, IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. For guys getting a new set and wanting to know their shafts will perform the way they were designed to having a consistent flex and feel through out, get them done. Also I would recommend it for guys who play firmer shafts, guys who are swinging softer shafts like for instance an (A) flex or a weak ® it really won't benefit. Psychologically for all us golfers it's nice knowing our equipment is dialed in which helps with our confidence on the course and might lead to better swings.


I believe this statement is very true.

But, from a performance standpoint, I think there are other factors that directly relate to shot shaping ability more than
having iron shafts spine aligned or PUREd. I can take a PUREd club and alter the lie angle and hit it like crap or have the
wrong weight and flex, and spine alignment and PUREing won't matter much.

That said, if I have all other specs spot on, will spine alignment and/or PUREing make a noticeable difference in ball flight?
From my personal experience, no, not that I noticed. If my loft and lies are correct and the shaft weight and stiffness is
right, I will have no problem hitting the shots I want to. I have had a couple sets PUREd and I didn't hit them any better
than sets I've had that were not PUREd. For the reason mentioned by used balls and if having it done will not cause a
problem and cost is not an issue, then why not have it done. They give evidence on paper that there is a benefit, so even
though I don't experience it in the real world, it really can't hurt...just in case. :D

The number one reason my irons may start misbehaving is because the loft/lies get skewed. When they are bent properly
I hit them really well. If I were to give a player advice, I would have them get their irons checked for loft and lie before they
get their shafts PUREd. If after that they need some more piece of mind, go ahead and have it done. ;) JMHO
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 03:00 PM

But, from a performance standpoint, I think there are other factors that directly relate to shot shaping ability more than
having iron shafts spine aligned or PUREd. I can take a PUREd club and alter the lie angle and hit it like crap or have the
wrong weight and flex, and spine alignment and PUREing won't matter much.

Absolutely! The importance of correct club fitting trumps any tweaks such as spine aligning. Of course, having a solid, repeatable swing doesn't hurt either.

A bit surprised to hear you say that spine alignment produced no noticeable results for you. I will say that the benefit does seem to be seen more by folks that swing with the most 'vigor', but in my experience, the consistency of results yielded by the process is the most common benefit mentioned by better players. Maybe, you're right, it is just thinking that the results will be more consistent that make it so.
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:50 PM

I believe this statement is very true.

But, from a performance standpoint, I think there are other factors that directly relate to shot shaping ability more than
having iron shafts spine aligned or PUREd. I can take a PUREd club and alter the lie angle and hit it like crap or have the
wrong weight and flex, and spine alignment and PUREing won't matter much.

That said, if I have all other specs spot on, will spine alignment and/or PUREing make a noticeable difference in ball flight?
From my personal experience, no, not that I noticed. If my loft and lies are correct and the shaft weight and stiffness is
right, I will have no problem hitting the shots I want to. I have had a couple sets PUREd and I didn't hit them any better
than sets I've had that were not PUREd. For the reason mentioned by used balls and if having it done will not cause a
problem and cost is not an issue, then why not have it done. They give evidence on paper that there is a benefit, so even
though I don't experience it in the real world, it really can't hurt...just in case. :D

The number one reason my irons may start misbehaving is because the loft/lies get skewed. When they are bent properly
I hit them really well. If I were to give a player advice, I would have them get their irons checked for loft and lie before they
get their shafts PUREd. If after that they need some more piece of mind, go ahead and have it done. ;) JMHO

great post, very true about having clubs that fit correctly. my main reason for believing in spine allaigning comes from an experience i had a few years ago. i pulled a titleist 905s out of a used bin with some red harrison shaft in it. we put it on the frequency and this thing wobbled all over the place, i took it out and the thing felt awful, hit it like crap. that being said maybe the psychological aspect of knowing how that shaft had reacted when we frequencied it made me hit it poorly.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 10:06 AM

With your High-end graphite shafts, having them pured or spined doesnt make that much difference because of the high quality material used in the manufacturing process. Where as steel shafts and the construction process it does make a difference, and the harder you swing the bigger the difference gets.

But I will agree, that it also has to do with the mental side and the belief that the shaft is in "correctly". Hit 2 exact same clubs, one been aligned and the other not, but when you do this tell yourself that "Club A" is aligned and "Club B" is not, then see the difference.

I know ALL TMAG STAFF DONT BELEIVE IN THIS PROCESS, because it throws the whole r9 theory out the window...FCT will be a goner!!!
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 10:24 PM

OWNING THE NEW AUTOMATED SST MACHINE IT ALSO MEASURES

TORQUE-IT WILL MEASURE THE ACTUAL TORQUE OF THE SHAFT

SHAFT STRAITNESS- IT TOOK 3 SETS OF DG TOUR ISSUES TO GET ONE SET OF SHAFTS THAT WERE NOT BENT FOR SCOTT McCARRON I WAS IN THE HOTEL ROOM IN ORLANDO WHEN THEY DID THEM SO IMAGINE WHAT YOU GET SENT AND UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MACHINE YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW

THEN SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH IT ROTATES THE SHAFT AND BY A PERCENTAGE HOW MUCH IT STABILIZED THE SHAFT SOME AS LITTLE AS 15% BUT SOME AS MUCH AS 90% JUST DEPENDING ON THE SHAFT

I CAN TELL YOU 97% INCLUDING THE NUMBER #1 PLAYER IN THE WORLD HAS ALL THERE CLUBS PURED SO THERE MUST BE SOMETHING TO IT BECAUSE IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE THEY PAID OR HALF TO DO IT.

FROM TESTING SHAFTS SPINED, LASERD FLOED AND PURED I CAN SEE THE DISPERSION IS MINIMIZED AND THE GENERAL HEIGHT OF THE BALL STARTS TO LINE UP ON A DESCENT TO WELL STRUCK GOLF BALLS. YOU DONT GET ONE MAX HEIGHT AT 60 FT AND THE NEXT WELL STRUCK BALL GOES 90FT. IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU A LOWER HANDICAP BECAUSE THERE IS MORE TO THE GAME THEN JUST HITTING THE BALL BUT I HAVE SEEN A GOLFERS MISSES MINIMIZED. SST PUREING IS DOING A HUGE TEST AS WE SPEAK WITH A NON BIASIS COMPANY TO SHOW ACTUALLY HOW MUCH IT IMPROVES A CLUBS PERFORMANCE.

REMEMBER GOLF SHAFTS ARE NOT PERFECTLY ROUND SO BECAUSE OF THIS THE SHAFT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED CORRECTLY SO IT CAN FLEX CONSISTANTLY. THE LESS MONEY FOR A SHAFT THE MORE IT IS SANDED TO SHAPE(GRAPHITE) SO IMAGINE HOW MUCH OEM OR CHEAP SHAFTS ARE SANDED ON AND THE FLAT SPOTS YOU WILL HAVE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAY GOOD MONEY FOR A FITTING AND GETTING CUSTOM SHAFT AND HAVE THE OPTION WHY NOT SPEND THE EXTRA $160 FOR A SET OF IRONS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE THE BEST THEY CAN BE?

MANY OEM BRANDS DO NOT PERFORM MUCH BETTER THAN THE OTHER BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE PLAY A BRAND BECAUSE A CERTAIN PRO DOES BUT SST PUREING IS THE MOST WIDELY USED COMPANY ON TOUR FOR EQUIPMENT (97% OF THE TOUR)BUT YET PEOPLE QUICKLY DISMISS IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 11:00 PM

OWNING THE NEW AUTOMATED SST MACHINE IT ALSO MEASURES

TORQUE-IT WILL MEASURE THE ACTUAL TORQUE OF THE SHAFT

SHAFT STRAITNESS- IT TOOK 3 SETS OF DG TOUR ISSUES TO GET ONE SET OF SHAFTS THAT WERE NOT BENT FOR SCOTT McCARRON I WAS IN THE HOTEL ROOM IN ORLANDO WHEN THEY DID THEM SO IMAGINE WHAT YOU GET SENT AND UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MACHINE YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW

THEN SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH IT ROTATES THE SHAFT AND BY A PERCENTAGE HOW MUCH IT STABILIZED THE SHAFT SOME AS LITTLE AS 15% BUT SOME AS MUCH AS 90% JUST DEPENDING ON THE SHAFT

I CAN TELL YOU 97% INCLUDING THE NUMBER #1 PLAYER IN THE WORLD HAS ALL THERE CLUBS PURED SO THERE MUST BE SOMETHING TO IT BECAUSE IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE THEY PAID OR HALF TO DO IT.

FROM TESTING SHAFTS SPINED, LASERD FLOED AND PURED I CAN SEE THE DISPERSION IS MINIMIZED AND THE GENERAL HEIGHT OF THE BALL STARTS TO LINE UP ON A DESCENT TO WELL STRUCK GOLF BALLS. YOU DONT GET ONE MAX HEIGHT AT 60 FT AND THE NEXT WELL STRUCK BALL GOES 90FT. IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU A LOWER HANDICAP BECAUSE THERE IS MORE TO THE GAME THEN JUST HITTING THE BALL BUT I HAVE SEEN A GOLFERS MISSES MINIMIZED. SST PUREING IS DOING A HUGE TEST AS WE SPEAK WITH A NON BIASIS COMPANY TO SHOW ACTUALLY HOW MUCH IT IMPROVES A CLUBS PERFORMANCE.

REMEMBER GOLF SHAFTS ARE NOT PERFECTLY ROUND SO BECAUSE OF THIS THE SHAFT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED CORRECTLY SO IT CAN FLEX CONSISTANTLY. THE LESS MONEY FOR A SHAFT THE MORE IT IS SANDED TO SHAPE(GRAPHITE) SO IMAGINE HOW MUCH OEM OR CHEAP SHAFTS ARE SANDED ON AND THE FLAT SPOTS YOU WILL HAVE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAY GOOD MONEY FOR A FITTING AND GETTING CUSTOM SHAFT AND HAVE THE OPTION WHY NOT SPEND THE EXTRA $160 FOR A SET OF IRONS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE THE BEST THEY CAN BE?

MANY OEM BRANDS DO NOT PERFORM MUCH BETTER THAN THE OTHER BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE PLAY A BRAND BECAUSE A CERTAIN PRO DOES BUT SST PUREING IS THE MOST WIDELY USED COMPANY ON TOUR FOR EQUIPMENT (97% OF THE TOUR)BUT YET PEOPLE QUICKLY DISMISS IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME.


i just have to say that i didn't quickly dismiss puring, i was very keen on the idea when it first came out and have had many clubs done, i just didn't see any improvement at all, i stick by with what i said in an earlier post, that i would rather spend my money else where. Petter hit the nail on the head, get your clubs fitted properly and if they still dont't perform, look at getting them pured but i wont be, :banana1:
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Posted 17 February 2010 - 08:02 PM

i just have to say that i didn't quickly dismiss puring, i was very keen on the idea when it first came out and have had many clubs done, i just didn't see any improvement at all, i stick by with what i said in an earlier post, that i would rather spend my money else where. Petter hit the nail on the head, get your clubs fitted properly and if they still dont't perform, look at getting them pured but i wont be, :banana1:


TAKE A BAG FULL OF DYNAMIC GOLD TOUR ISSUES, KBS, PROJECT X OR WHATEVER YOU WANT AND TEST HOW STRAIT THEY ARE ON A PURE MACHINE AND I BET YOU START USING THE MACHINE I BET YOU DONT GET HALF OF THEM IN STRAIT. SO GO AHEAD AND SPEND MONEY ELSEWHERE BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR SHAFTS ARE STRAIT OR IF THE TORQUE IS WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.

PUREING PROVED IT WORKED WHEN THE #1 PLAYER PUT HIS GAMER SET AND BACK UP SET INTO PLAY 2 YEARS AGO WHEN TESTING 12 SETS THAT HAD NO LABELS.
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Posted 17 February 2010 - 08:33 PM

i have a very experienced club builder out in singapore who i see every couple of mths and i know if he says my clubs are good, they are good, simple as that and he doesn't pure them. and i also know my clubs very well, none of them misbehave, maybe my guy is just so good.

and lastly can you not use capitals, its annoying everyone, thankyou
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 09:03 PM

Well yes, 97% of the best players in the world (tour players) have it done for there clubs but they are not paying for it either. They also have repeatable swings which is a big plus, and as long as it won't hurt there game they will try it. I have a set of Miura's built by the golf lab and pured, also a set of Epons that aren't pured from Japan, I hit them both the same.......I can't tell any difference from the pured set to the other. I don't have a repeatable swing, but play to a 9, just not good enough to tell the difference.
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 11:25 PM

Has anyone ever done a double-blind test comparing sets that were pured and those that were not? I am by no means an expert in puring, but unlike properly setting up loft/length/lie/swingweight for your clubs, I have yet to see definitive, measurable data that shows how pured club improves consistency or the quality of golf shots over a club that was professionally blueprinted, but NOT pured.
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Posted 22 February 2010 - 02:23 AM

Has anyone ever done a double-blind test comparing sets that were pured and those that were not? I am by no means an expert in puring, but unlike properly setting up loft/length/lie/swingweight for your clubs, I have yet to see definitive, measurable data that shows how pured club improves consistency or the quality of golf shots over a club that was professionally blueprinted, but NOT pured.


I doubt such data will be made available or even made to exist.

There was a time wherein testing and selecting components, i.e., making a matching set, made sense but that was long ago when manufacturing of Golf clubs was far less precise or standardized than today's product. Back then it was fairly common to have a club or two in the set that just didn't work properly for you. Golfers back then primarily relied upon feel, ( what they felt was right ), to decide upon keeping or tossing a club. We still do things like that today but mostly with Drivers and Putters.

These days we are fairly safe taking a set of well reputed irons and woods off the rack and playing them. Fitting and puring continue to have a place though not nearly as urgent as some might want to believe. You really need to be that much better as a Golfer to be able to appreciate the difference and even if it is very affordable these days, most of us are unlikely to be able to benefit from the improvement except by imagination or sheer faith. I am not excluding the rudimentary fittings that are commonly given by so many shops. That can be very important as a truly badly fit set can make Golf even more difficult. I speak only of that refined fitting and puring that involves much knowledge and skill on the part of the fitter, which can cost a bit but not much relative to the normal cost of clubs, greenfees and caddies plus the attendant celebrations and/or recourses to the practice range.


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Posted 22 February 2010 - 02:49 AM

Has anyone ever done a double-blind test comparing sets that were pured and those that were not? I am by no means an expert in puring, but unlike properly setting up loft/length/lie/swingweight for your clubs, I have yet to see definitive, measurable data that shows how pured club improves consistency or the quality of golf shots over a club that was professionally blueprinted, but NOT pured.


I've hit a set of irons that were PURED that were built to my specs exactly and I hit them just fine. I also have a set in my bag
right now that were also built to my specs and not PURED and I hit them really well. As I mentioned before, if I have the right
flex, weight, length, loft and lies, I'll hit the set well. Even with +5 type professional players, shaping different type shots is not
an exact science. Swings vary from one to the other, so getting the shafts to flex exactly the same each time is not going to be
possible. Always a bit of imbalance and disparity. From the performance I'm getting with my current irons, I don't feel the need
to get them PURED.
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Posted 22 February 2010 - 09:19 AM

Regarding the patented "PURING" process versus spine alignment; I have pulled many factory "PURED" steel shafts as identified by their label and logo attached to the shaft. As a matter of 'pure' curiosity, each time I've removed one, I set it on my spining tool. Guess what, each time, the simple ball-bearing based tool I use in my shop yielded the EXACT same orientation identified by the "PURING" process.

I will not dispute that the there may be something more to the process when working with graphite shafts (especially those from older manufacturing processes) as I have seen graphite shafts with multiple spines where my simple process becomes quite difficult on its own. However, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the added processes, and expense of the patented "PURING" process in question has not one iota of benefit over basic spine alignment when it comes to steel.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 12:47 PM

Indirectly was saying it that Im not intelligent because of my grammer. Since you had your stuff built by Golf Lab in California the owner and I played golf in Orlando about a month ago you can ask him if he knows Brandon and tell him I said hello. He has been in the industry for a long time and is a nice guy. As far as the PURE thing whether or not someone can tell, it is making sure the club is installed the best way it can be and that is what I do flex, swingweight, shaft straitness, length, weight etc. I make sure everything is as good as it can be for the customer and I am a dealer for EPON and most of my clients figure at the money EPON cost why not? Atleast if anything I can find out that a shaft might not be strait and they know there shafts were installed the best way they could.

As far as the tour everybody buys Taylormade and Callaway because tour players play them which they are PAID for but PURE is a choice they make and get nothing for it and for almost the entire tour to do it with out getting paid just speakes volume for it, there will be a test released shortly to prove how much you gain out of a club being pured and not they are spending a bunch of money with a non biasis testing company. Everybody has there own opinion but working with shafts everyday I know this machine alone found 7 shafts last week that were not strait and the torques were way off from what I needed besides just Pureing shafts it also does other things that matter in the build as well.


Life is funny - Brandon, I dind't know that was you. I guess I'm the guy that's wrong, since I WOULD let you touch my sticks. for the record, I never said you were an idiot - and I didn't mean to imply it, either. Just that I wouldn't find out one way or the other due to the aforementioned issues in the post.

Anyway, I say get the PURE if you're buying an expensive shaft. No reason not the spend the extra couple bucks on that kind of item. Who cares if it works or not - it probably only matters that you think it might...
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:40 AM

I doubt such data will be made available or even made to exist.

These days we are fairly safe taking a set of well reputed irons and woods off the rack and playing them. Fitting and puring continue to have a place though not nearly as urgent as some might want to believe. You really need to be that much better as a Golfer to be able to appreciate the difference and even if it is very affordable these days, most of us are unlikely to be able to benefit from the improvement except by imagination or sheer faith.

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I've hit a set of irons that were PURED that were built to my specs exactly and I hit them just fine. I also have a set in my bag
right now that were also built to my specs and not PURED and I hit them really well. As I mentioned before, if I have the right
flex, weight, length, loft and lies, I'll hit the set well. Even with +5 type professional players, shaping different type shots is not
an exact science. Swings vary from one to the other, so getting the shafts to flex exactly the same each time is not going to be
possible. Always a bit of imbalance and disparity. From the performance I'm getting with my current irons, I don't feel the need
to get them PURED.


Thanks for both of your replies. I am a pretty "numbers" driven guy and don't believe in doing something if it doesn't translate into something both measureable AND meaningful. That is why I believe that puring will remain a "snake oil" product to the golfing mainstream. They have all these oscillation diagrams that show how a poorly installed shaft compares to a pured one, but nothing that demonstrates that puring translates into improved golfing results i.e. lower scores, improved GIRs etc.

I would love to see a top golfer be given 10 sets of irons that have been blueprinted and only one of those 10 sets has been pured and try to have that pro pick out the pured set from the other 9. If the pure guys are so sure that it makes that much of a difference, it should be easy for any touring pro to pick out that set. If you had a set of clubs that was 4 swingweights higher or even 1/2" longer, I guarantee the pro would figure out that set in a heartbeat. Now if the difference was only 1 swingpoint or 1/8" then it would be much harder, but then again, 1 swingpoint and 1/8" wouldn't make much difference in their results either. I think pureing falls into the same category. There is probably some MEASUREABLE difference in a pured club but I doubt it translates into something MEANINGFUL on the golf course, especially when compared to a well-built and properly fitted set of irons.
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Posted 23 February 2010 - 02:19 PM

I would love to see a top golfer be given 10 sets of irons that have been blueprinted and only one of those 10 sets has been pured and try to have that pro pick out the pured set from the other 9. If the pure guys are so sure that it makes that much of a difference, it should be easy for any touring pro to pick out that set.


That sure would be an interesting examination dpark!! I know I can tell when my loft and lies are not right. One point in swingweight
is another matter. It's hard for me to tell the difference between D0 and D1. I've played with that and wasn't very good telling one from
the other. With overall weight (static) I'm much better at differentiating between light and heavy. I'm not doubting PURED clubs can be
measured to bend in a certain manner more consistently, but, will I be able to hit tighter fades or draws with them?? So far I haven't
noticed that with the PURED clubs I have hit. For me, the clubhead lie angle is what really affects ball flight control with irons more
than anything else once the other specs are in order. I will be most likely building a new set of irons this summer and maybe I'll get
them PURED and do some further testing to see any real advantage. If I can find one, I'll sure use it. ;)
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